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You're assuming they'd actually go outside instead of simply going back to twitter/reddit.

"Unpopular" is a term defined in relation to your surroundings. What's unpopular on KnowYourMeme may be popular in other, larger communities and vice versa; with threads like these, I assume people are saying their opinions are "unpopular" in relation to whatever community or communities in which it's most relevant. Eg. my opinion on Fallout 4 and New Vegas: a die-hard NV community would try and send the Navy Seals after my ass for that opinion, but somewhere less obsessed with Fallout in general probably wouldn't care that much.

Something getting negative fake internet points on this thread doesn't mean it's unpopular on the whole, just here. Which still fits the thread.

I disagree, there's a better community here than most sites

being against censorship of LGBT shit has a chance of being labelled as both "anti-censorship" and "woke" at the same time

Hiroo Onoda was a serial killer who murdered 30 civilians refusing to believe the war was over, not some honorable soldier who was committed to carrying out his orders despite the overwhelming odds against him that I've seen a good amount of randos on the internet make him out to be. And the fact that he got off scott free is: 1) one of Ferdinand Marcos's many bad decisions; 2) a slap in the face to the friends and families of those he killed; 3) another post-war failure by the allies to snuff out the flames of Japanese ultranationalism that made people like Onoda in the first place (which leads into); 4) fuel to the fire that is the aforementioned Japanese ultranationalism and war-crime apologia that still lingers in Japanese society and on certain parts of the internet to this day.

If you're one of these people who sees Onoda as an honorable soldier, please stop – it's not cool to idolize crazy serial killers. For everyone else, I hope I set the record straight on this guy.

Those with more power, Ie police and politicians, should face harsher punishment for the same crimes

A less stale turd is not a pudding

Soulsborne fans are the videogame equivalent of Rick and Morty fans

Parasocial relationships are not as big of an issue as KYM likes to make it out to be.

When a parasocial relationship is a big deal to you, you've taken things to a very bad extreme. But that's exactly it; most people don't take it to that extreme. Liking a celebrity or content creator really isn't that deep for the majority.

This one counts as both a rant and unpopular opinion, but I might as well post it here:

People who praise Sega and Valve all day long but will shit on Nintendo are annoying as fuck.

OH MY GOSH IT'S ANOTHER MISTRESS FORTUNE BEING A NINTENDO DICK SUCKER MOMENT, WOOOOO!

Let me elaborate:

Everyone shits on Nintendo for their lack of modern ways to buy some classic games or DMCA on fan games, but Sega's just as fucking guilty. BUT because they let things slide SPECIFICALLY with the Sonic fandom people act like Sega is frickin' Jesus or something. Like I'd love to play the Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Burning Rangers on modern platforms but I sure as shit can't, and need I remind people Sega issued C&Ds on Streets of Rage fan games, and did takedowns on all Shining videos about a decade ago in order to make sure a mobile Shining game they were announcing at the time would be the ONLY search result? Shit that last one lead to ToralBiscuit stating he'd be boycotting Sega for good.

As for Valve, let me talk about my issues with Valve fans: you guys know the reason why Dolphin isn't hitting Steam is because Valve contacted Nintendo first in order to protect their own hide, right? Valve isn't as "pro unofficial emulation" as you think, they're not going to risk getting in legal battles they know they can't win, and quoting that one Gabe Newell quote of "piracy is a service problem" isn't going to change that.

In case you're going "why are you going hard on Sega and Valve?" it's because as a Nintendo fan who admits to being maybe being too much of a dick sucking apologist, I've gotten sick and tired of hypocrisy from Sega and Valve fanboys (or PC elitists in general, ie the people who treat "PC master race" as a 100% serious label and not as the joke it was always meant to be) who keep saying shit like "Nintendo sucks and aren't your friend, quit sucking up to them" but they'll gladly suck off Sega and Gabe Newell all day long over ONE OR TWO instances that they did something fans liked, but oh the moment a Nintendo fan praises something good about Nintendo now we're the ones doing the dick sucking; fuck off. The worst one IMO is Mutahar of Some Ordinary Gamers, dude honestly comes off as a smug dick sometimes when it comes to him doing the whole "nInTeNdO iSn'T yOuR fRiEnD!" shit, but the dude sucks off Valve regularly when it comes to bragging about how much he loves to emulate console games on his Steam Deck.

Like okay I fucking get it, Nintendo as a corporation doesn't know I exist. But same goes for Sega and Valve, I highly doubt Gabe Newell knows the names of literally everyone who plays Half Life and Gmod on a daily basis, and I'm sure to them you're also "just a source of cash." But does that mean you and I can't still praise the developers for making enjoyable pieces of media that we fawn over daily? No. So stop treating Nintendo fans of being "suck ups" whenever we speak favorably about Nintendo developers making games that fans enjoy, because I can do the same fucking shit back at you about companies I'm sure you regularly praise like Sega and Valve, which are two companies I singled out due to those two arguably having fanboys who are just as rabid but yet they don't get nearly the same level of flak Nintendo fans get.

The more I see and hear of the changes in Pikmin 4 the less I want to get it

My word of advice is that if someone goes "nInTeNdO iSn'T yOuR fRiEnD!" hit them with something like "Sega/Valve isn't your friend either."

I feel like if Waluigi ever got into Smash as a playable character, it would be so fucking funny if a Fire Emblem character got demoted to an Assist Trophy, the best candidates being Corrin and Byleth. Would give off the idea that Waluigi cheated his way into Smash.

Also they should either scrap a lot of the Asisst Trophies and replace them with characters nobody cares about or have popular characters that were made Assist Trophies be DLC in the same game. Mainly since Assist Trophies are seen as basically dooming the chances of a character being playable.

there is no point in apologizing if people are going to treat you the same even if you changed for good

-Saying "I'll" instead of "Imma" is far more practical as the former takes up less space and is one syllable instead of two. The only problem is that the ubiquity of sans serif fonts makes "I'll" look off.

-In-person shopping is more rewarding than online. The social interaction is good for one's health and is sorely needed in a time when loneliness is a worldwide problem. Moreover, the online shopping for various big box stores stretches the workforce thin, leading to lots of stress for those stocking shelves (I work in produce, where we often don't have time to cull all of the bad stuff.)

I’d be down to see the next mainline Pokemon game be a Sonic 06 tier disaster. We already got glimpses of it with Scarlet and Violet but having that on a much worse scale would be hopefully get GameFreak to stop doing yearly releases and it’d be fun to see how the public would react to a game so glitchy that it stops being fun.

The only thing review bombing has tangibly achieve is deligitimize users reviews

People should stop defending Obsidian when they inevitably mishandle their time with a game like they always do, they're known for time mismanagement.

Also, in spite of Warhammer Total War being very good, they are also the worst thing for the total war series, as now every game in the series is modeled after them in some way, historical fans have been getting shafted.

I don't care what anyone has to said about Steven Universe, but Aivi & Surasshu is a wonderful musician.

I really liked the coloring of the graphics in the Demon Souls remake, and I find the criticism around it from some fans to be a little overly dramatic: "It ruins the story's dark tone." No, it doesn't; the tone is still just as dark as before, and sure, the remake is a bit brighter than most Fromsoft games tend to be, but I don't think it "ruins the tone and atmosphere." Plus, let's be honest, the original looked like a mid-era PS2 game, despite being on the PS3. And the same goes for the later Dark Souls too; it was only after DS2 that the series finally started having good graphics. If there's something worth complaining about in the remake, it's that they did not even attempt to delve into the unused content with the sixth world.

Superstitious thinking leads to conspiracy theories

Obsidrones wouldn't like that opinions!

I've been playing and loving Baldur's Gate 3 so far but I have some nitpicks.

-The inventory UI is not very good, not only its hard to move things around, when you're at your basecamp you don't have access to all your party member's inventory, meaning you have to swap them.

-Speaking of which, you don't have access to all your companion's sheets at base camp, you got to swap them out to see them which wastes time.

-During dialogue whatever character you're controlling is the one that rolls for various skill checks. In pathfinder games you just use the party member who has the highest but in BG3 you can't, defeating the purpose of your companions having charisma-based skills since you can't swap to them during dialogue. This makes non-charisma/wisdom classes even weaker.

Finally saw the new Spiderverse film. Waited because a friend really wanted to see it with me.

Seeing it after reading the comments on KYM about the film, a lot of 'kymcore' don't have friends who have been abused by their family for who they are and it shows.

question, is kymcore is the KnowYourMeme Discord server? if so, how's that place is in your honest opinion?

Discussing what is/is not KYM core could easily be its own full topic and it would be better not to derail this one.

As for the question of the KYM Discord, since this is the unpopular opinions thread…

The discord is basically a refuge for a lot of the KYM users who liked how the site’s community used to be. Many users and mods who are still on the list of top site contributors but haven’t had activity on KYM for literal years are still there. I’ve mentioned this before. However, while that may sound nice, users have to actually try to fit in. If the mods think that the server would be better without you, you’re out. This can range from acting aggressive to those that you disagree with to the chat generally just finding you annoying. Many feel this is harsh and many have stated it leads to a circle jerk, but it also leads to the people there actually wanting to talk and not trying to talk over each other as often happens in the comments section.

If the site was more like the Discord server, I believe there would be fewer users, but those on the site would be much more productive in terms of wanting to write articles, upload images, and the community left would generally be friendlier. Or at least it would have been if something like this was implemented a few years ago. Given the state of the site now, even if such a radical and unrealistic change were to occur, I have my doubts. Not that this could ever really be put in place to begin with, given how vague and arbitrary this criteria is. Who knows, maybe in this version of the site, Eypc Wynn and Moleman9000 would be entirely right in their complaints about mod abuse.

If someone wants to talk to me personally about details of the previous post or something you can PM me instead of derailing this thread lol.

The only real comment I could find on it was on this thread where someone said it sorta fucks up the themes of Spider-Man. Wouldn't know myself because I never found the concept of "Spiderverse" too interesting, and so I haven't watched either movie (which I suppose is an unpopular opinion itself)

As for the kymcord/kymcore divide, it's complicated. Basically, it's a more insular and circlejerky version of the main community, with the additional trappings of being hosted on Discord. IIRC some regulars there hardly ever interact with the siteside community, and some who do never do so positively. Some might not even actually have accounts on the site AFAIK. Weird place.

Thanks for the answer Jill, and sorry about derailing a bit. Let me set back to track with another unpopular opinion of mines.
I really wish that speed isn’t the ultimate factor to whatever a character is good or not in videogames. I realize how many top tier characters are either move/act/attack faster compare to characters who’re either slow to just barely reaching the same speed as the other top tier characters. I heard some people say that games are require to have this mandatory balancing just to differentiate characters in competitive so playing these characters won’t feel samey.
I say this doesn’t make much sense. If people want to pick their favorites, then why would they have to suffer from choosing someone that’s objectively poor in design? Doubly so if you’re matching against other people who’ll ridicule you for not following the meta of the correlated game like everyone else do. Although, this make it sound like I want a game that’s more balance towards speed. Sort of. I wish that slower characters have some sort utility that can be on par with faster characters, but the thing is there’s so many things you could do with this. Such as draw aggro, less punishing block/parry frames, having some move to penalize the environment such as traps or blocking routes, having a damage reduction percentage ( some fighting games do have this for heavy weight characters). But I didn’t mention something like invincibility frames or having attacks that ignore flinches/stuns of such, since I wanted to balance slow/heavy characters and not creating another problem.

Sounds like Kymcore is basically this community's equivalent of a chud. I do find lewd fanart spam boring because I can find that stuf on gelbooru or twitter.

I guess my unpopular opinion is that wojaks and soyjaks can be sometimes funny and I find the absurdity of some edits amusing even though they are often gruesome and mean spirited.

My another hot take is that Raimi's Spiderman movies were not that good and people just have nostalgia for them, third one was especially pretty bad.

The same way other people rightfully go "shut up american, you dont know what you are talking about" when americans talk from ignorance, more americans should go "shut up foreigner" too, for the same reason

Ok multiculturalism is great and all but some cultures ARE better off separated when it comes to the internet due to… massive moral dissonance, like leftist internet cultures and mainstream middle eastern internet communities are probably better off never meeting in any large scale imo.

The massive language barrier between english internet and chinese internet is probably a huge blessing too…at least for now

Yea know, I generally don't think cute and sexy women alone can carry a series. You could have the most sexiest baddest bitches this side of town but the piece of media they're in is absolute dogwater. Of course, great art helps. but as soon as someone above room temp iq notices how shit the story is, instant uninstall. The reason shit like blue archive kicked off is the sheer charm of it's story and characters which makes people stay for longer. other games end up falling to the wayside because no one cares.

Fuck, tf2 is well loved even when waifufags showhorn in cute girl shit everywhere (ignoring best girl pauling)

You can criticize NATO and the military involvement of western countries in Ukraine without being a shill for Putin or supporting the Russian invasion.

My feelings pretty much. I'll gladly show respect towards Muslims who just want to worship in peace, and will call out bigots who are harassing peaceful Muslims, but the moment your religion is being used as a reason to say shit like "you and your people deserve to be put to death because my god says so!" then I lose all respect for you as a person and also lose respect for your faith. And this goes for any and all faiths, it just so happens that Christians and Muslims are by far the most vocal when it comes to using religion as an excuse to want to wish death upon individuals who are doing nothing wrong but yet they hate them for not adhering to their religious norms (specifically their hate towards LGBT+ folk).

I would be genuinely happy if Toad’s Factory didn’t appear in the Booster Course Pass for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Would rather that they save it for Mario Kart 9.

Hell I wouldn’t mind if Mario Kart 9 double dipped on a few retro courses. Luigi Circuit from Double Dash, Sky Garden and Sunset Wilds from Super Circuit all to come to mind. The latter two especially since Mario Kart Tour and the Booster Course Pass basically butchered them. So putting them in Mario Kart 9 could maybe give them the chance to fix their blunder.

Obsessing over "power dynamics" between two consenting adults in a relationship is peak cringe.

Pretending like it's never an issue is moronic

[Joker faic moment]

Society having strong negative reactions towards male-to-female trans people or femboys/drag queens but barely any negative reaction towards female-to-male trans people or tomboys honestly only shows there is a deep seated issue with misogyny and/or toxic masculinity within society itself (this is why I'm putting this in "unpopular opinion" instead of vent, because it legit seems to be an unpopular opinion to point out legitimate examples of society having issues with misogyny and toxic masculinity). Why is "loss of masculinity" seen as such a problem, but yet traditionally feminine people embracing masculinity is seen as a cause for celebration? If tomboys and transmen can be embraced by society easily then it's bullshit femboys and transwomen have such a harder time gaining acceptance, but I'm noticing for transwomen in particular it's especially hard because I know some communities who will go "awooga!" at femboys or even futas, but yet the moment you go "actually this character is canonically trans" or say "really transwomen who haven't gotten bottom surgery are just real life futas" they suddenly go "EW, FAGGOTRY, GTFO!" And yes this very fucking website has shown me examples of this in action.

I'm gonna try and be as respectful as humanly possible, since this is about the recent spider-gwen image, and that was a hot topic. As such, I'm also going to keep my argument in the context of the image as well.

Part of the reason why I personally think people were so frustrated in that debate is that we're dealing with a schrodingers's cat scenario. Gwen Stacy could be transgender MtF… or she could be a tomboy. I personally would be open to the idea of a transgender gwen… but it would have to be done with such surgical precision for it to work, and the writing has to be top-notch for people to respect. I said it in the original meme entry and ìll say it again here: "if you want to have gwen as trans female, you have to bring up her past as a male, and the most obvious way of doing that is referring accidentally to a deadname, despite how emotionally hurtful deadnames can be."

Ultimately, I'll respect the filmmakers' choice when it comes down to that. And personally speaking, Gwen's backstory is still malleable enough for it to go either way.

Excitebot theLEGO wrote:

Gwen Stacy could be transgender MtF… or she could be a tomboy.

You are treating this as an either/or situation where none exists. Most trans people have physical dysphoria about how their body is. Not all of them feel compelled to dress or act in an overly feminine traditional manner of wearing dresses and skirts and being meek and quiet. The implication that to be a transgender female one must want to act, dress and behave in an overly feminine manner is part of the reason it takes so many so long to figure themselves out. Trans women can be tomboys, and that's okay. The fact that most people seem to view this as a false dichotomy of "either she's trans OR she's a Tomboy is extremely concerning.

If you want my personal thoughts

You are treating this as an either/or situation where none exists.

Hmm, you do have a point there. I should probably be phrasing this as "and/or" to suggest that several variations of the possibilities provided do in fact exist. Which they do.

We'll just have to wait and see until we can open the proverbial box.

traditionally feminine people embracing masculinity is seen as a cause for celebration

I would like to comment that this is acceptance is a recent phenomenon part of the overall societal acceptance of people outside the archetypal norms of gender roles and identity and is still much less common in countries with more conservative values where there is still a huge stigma associated with women not following the traditional values of femininity. Men who act "feminine" do experience more of a backlash, but there's also still people who give you funny looks and treat you differently (usually negatively) if you're female and mention you have hobbies or a job that are traditionally considered "masculine".

I know some communities who will go "awooga!" at femboys or even futas, but yet the moment you go "actually this character is canonically trans" or say "really transwomen who haven't gotten bottom surgery are just real life futas" they suddenly go "EW, FAGGOTRY, GTFO!"

I haven't watched the Spiderman movie, so no comments on that, but unless the creators outright state that "yes, this character is canonically trans" it's nothing but fan theory and headcanon. That is not inherently wrong, the way you interpret a story has much to do with your life experience and ideology, things that resonate with you might not resonate with others and vice-versa and I personally thing every interpretation can be equally valid. It's when you add the "canonically" when you add the conflict, as it can be easily read as "only my interpretation is valid" (particularly for certain Twitter users who add "you're transphobic if you disagree" for good measure).

Tbf I think the mention of "canon" might be in reference to a certain extremely controversial retcon that happened last year and not specifically about Spider-Gwen. And rectons seem to be what actually make people upset, instead of just disinterested; cases where it's explicitly canon, or are subject to 20+ year old weird regional changes, tend to get much more mild responses.

Also, this:

"really transwomen who haven't gotten bottom surgery are just real life futas"

Isn't true. "Futanari" is synonymous with "hermaphrodite", or a person with fully-functioning versions of both male and female genitalia… which doesn't exist in real life.

Tbf I think the mention of "canon" might be in reference to a certain extremely controversial retcon that happened last year and not specifically about Spider-Gwen. And rectons seem to be what actually make people upset, instead of just disinterested; cases where it's explicitly canon, or are subject to 20+ year old weird regional changes, tend to get much more mild responses.

I just assumed it was the Spider-Gwen incident since that's what people were talking about. I don't know what the retcon was or which show/movie, but I can see why people would get upset. Even small retcons on established characters can be received poorly, let alone something very controversial. Most people are not opposed to characters from minorities if done respectfully, but altering existing characters often seems like very cynical corporate-mandated diversity or pandering.

What do you mean by that Fortune?

but seriously, I literally just look through every comment section in any article that has ‘trans’ in the title or have some association about it and the comments says it all within the top comments. I don’t even care about all of this, I just kind of back-seated by how upfront to even borderline NC few of the user’s posts/uploads here whenever transgenderism gets involved. It kind of feels like they only made these articles just to dog whistle. Like why did we keep getting these articles every week or so. And by the time I’ve post this there’s already another article following the same course. But since I’m bringing all of this up, I guess I could finally talk about trans people and such.

It’s pretty obvious by some of you lots that I’ve either rarely or never talk much about politics or general identity politics here in KYM. It’s mostly due to not really care about making arguments about them. I’m generally indifferent about everyone and more occupied by own interests. I’ll rather be playing videogames than whatever going on about the world on the internet.

Although, I do have some experience interacting with a trans woman during my college class in history. We have a talk about the town we lived in and state of California along with my conservative partner. Despite what general perceptions, we a have a very civilize and thoughtful conversation about the livelihood of our hometown and many issues that were going on in California. And let me just tell you, within California is so politically divisive to the point that it has the largest sundown towns in the west portion of North America. I have learn a lot about it during our interaction, and we could talk about for hours but alas we have our own lives to go.

I’m not sure how others own experience with certain groups of people since I’m mostly value my own views outside of the web. And for all I know, some of the users just had some bad experience with certain types of people in the real world and I’m just uncommon exception.

/continue/
But back on track, looking at all these articles about trans head canons, all these kind of reminded me of something. Until I realized that this is similar to Piccolo is Black. For those who don’t know or want context, Piccolo is Black is a widely spoken statement around black communities during Dragon Ball Z in the 90’s. Of course Piccolo isn’t Black, he’s an alien from planet Namek. But the reason many Black communities associate Piccolo with their culture and still do to this day is because Piccolo resonates with them. That’s the keyword, resonate.

This just boils down to people just want to associate with themselves on a show, game, or any media they’ve been latch to. Especially when there’s nothing they can see themselves. and It’s not an inherently bad thing either. And for trans people, there’s rarely any widely-known media that portray trans people that’s authentic to the demographic, let alone being remotely positive. Either it be just a throwaway character or some cover up PR-stunt, or hardly portraying good characteristics. I mean, sure, there’s plenty of indie projects that did themes of transgenderism far better, but that’s particularly niche and you have to go out of your way to find them.

So what I’m trying to say is that if a character matters to them, then that’s all it really needs in the end.

I think its irrelevant that the textbook definition of futanari is hermaphrodite since the average nerd will use it to any "chick with a dick"

Lets see, unpopular opinion, Morrowind is mid

I do genuinely feel like a lot of people on this site merely tolerate me at best or at worst only view me as a convenient “how can I be a bigot towards alphabet people when I know this one trans woman?” kind of person. I legit feel like we’re it not for the fact in the past I was pro-Gamergate (back when the movement was genuinely about wanting better journalistic ethics and showing gaming is inclusive, before the movement got taken over by bad apples that we failed to kick out like the alt-right), and that I do frequently mention how I do take a dislike towards “keyboard warriors” I feel like I wouldn’t be nearly as liked on this site because I belong to a minority group that still regularly gets blamed for shit like Pikamee’s graduation, or is vocally expressive about how we see ourselves in pieces of fictional media because when you’re such an underrepresented and hated-for-no-good-reason group you take comfort wherever you can…

It's funny how this entire argument… discussion… whatever you want to call this is one long string of unpopular opinions.

I think there are two primary ways that people who spend far too much time online "see themselves" in fictional characters. I know this, because I myself spend too much time online :)

Type 1 are your Patrick Bateman/Ryan Gosling/Joker types. They see aspects of themselves and their struggles in these cool characters, and because these characters are cool, they decide to try and emulate them to some unironic degree. These characters also tend to be very sympathetic villains for whatever reason; there's probably some deep psychology in there, but it's past midnight and I don't care. This also applies to "girlboss" characters, but less often, because they tend to be more hollow (again, for some reason). This is basically an updated conception of "fictkin", but for those on the sigma grindset.

Type 2 are your Brisket/Spider-Gwen types. They see aspects of themselves and their struggles in these popular and pretty characters, and because these characters are popular and pretty, they decide to project their own identity labels onto them. Lore doesn't matter, only that they're popular, pretty, and in some way don't conform to a rigid conception of gender roles (and they need to be likeable; I've never seen this happen to Ash Crimson, who's quite girly and flamboyant, but also a total dick). This isn't exclusive to trans people, but with them it is the most persistent; the same thought patterns are much harder to sustain when applied to skin color, physical disabilities, or severe mental illness. In many ways, this is a rebirth of the old "shipping wars"; both predominantly involve foreign media, blorbos, spurious evidence, and colossal flamewars.

These different types have different manifestations: Type 1s seem to mostly use the medium of fancams, whose biggest sin is showing up too often in meme compilations. It's annoying chuuni shit, but easy to ignore if you don't like it. It helps that most people who really like these characters are already like this, so few toes get stepped on by a deluge of sigma memes.

Type 2s are much, much more varied, scaling everywhere from "shitty fanart that ten people ever see" to "literally vandalizing the Wikipedia article for Samus Aran". Being more prevalent, involving far more characters of much broader popularity, and having been around for much longer, it's very hard to avoid and easy to get annoyed by, especially given the sheer propensity this has for causing drama.

Changing to a more conventional unpopular opinion. I’d be more interested in Cuphead fighting Tanjiro on Death Battle than I am seeing Cuphead vs Bendy.

Mainly since it’d be fun to see how Tanjiro would react to all the stuff Cuphead does, especially if the fight ended with Tanjiro dying… only for Cuphead to parry his soul back to life leaving his opponent in shock at being revived.

As for connections…

• Both travel alongside their siblings across their homeland fighting enemies of varying powers after a misfortune involving a demon (Cuphead gambling his and Mugman’s souls while Muzan killed Tanjiro’s family barring Nezuko who was turned into a demon)

• Both share the same Japanese voice actor too.

Maybe they could throw in Mugman and Nezuko as well