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Last posted Jul 29, 2024 at 08:41PM EDT. Added Jan 01, 2017 at 06:26PM EST
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TheAnt wrote:

Kid Rock should have performed this at the RNC :^)

Kid Rock – "Young ladies, young ladies, I like 'em underage see, Some say that's statutory"

The entire crowd at the RNC – "But I say it's MANDATORY!"

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Holy shit I completely forgot about that movie. Hogan isn't running for president but we're only a few steps away from Vince McMahon / anyone else from WWE from being the next eligible candidate.

Also, based on some headlines, WWE employees also helped coordinate the RNC. So yeah.

Joever? It's not joever. It's only just begun kamencing

But more seriously, I think anyone with a brain has good odds of beating trump. If kamala gets a popular red state Democrat as her vice and doesn't forget the Midwest like Hillary famously did Trump's doomed

An underated bit the Democrats can pull now is very loudly make "the Republicans are running the oldest candidate in history" a actual argument now. Before both of them were older than dirt but now all Trump's posturing about how old Biden is can be turned right back on him, lol

Kamala Harris running would be hilariously disastrous, but she's got the treasure chest, so they can't risk anyone else. The world is about to see Kamala in full light. Honestly, she has the worst approval rating as a VP and is plagued with constant staff turnovers and hostile environment. It's gonna be a shit show.

VeteranAdventureHobo wrote:

Joever? It's not joever. It's only just begun kamencing

But more seriously, I think anyone with a brain has good odds of beating trump. If kamala gets a popular red state Democrat as her vice and doesn't forget the Midwest like Hillary famously did Trump's doomed

Getting Pennsylvania's government is her best shot I reckon if she's running
or have him as the candidate

Chewybunny wrote:

Kamala Harris running would be hilariously disastrous, but she's got the treasure chest, so they can't risk anyone else. The world is about to see Kamala in full light. Honestly, she has the worst approval rating as a VP and is plagued with constant staff turnovers and hostile environment. It's gonna be a shit show.

>Kamala Harris running would be hilariously disastrous
> plagued with constant staff turnovers and hostile environment.

Counterpoint, Kamala running is already shown to be a good idea, because evidently, right-wingers have nothing on her holy shit lmao.

Oh, wont someone please think of the poor white house staffers! Get the fuck outta heeeere

Here's the next couple of months of turmoil for the Democrats attempting to get things in order. I would have liked a primary and choose the best candidates from that, but I get the limited amount of time between now and the election that would make it inadvisable.

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So 1. can happenings stop bringing me back to the politics threads, it's bad for me

2. why directly to Harris is a strategy seems to me demonstrated at good old r/conservative. It immediately turned into frothing racist and inexplicably transphobic madness and it's not going to be containable. The moderates theoretically would look at this shit and go "the ballets are secret, I can just tell people I voted Trump"

Steve wrote:

>Kamala Harris running would be hilariously disastrous
> plagued with constant staff turnovers and hostile environment.

Counterpoint, Kamala running is already shown to be a good idea, because evidently, right-wingers have nothing on her holy shit lmao.

Oh, wont someone please think of the poor white house staffers! Get the fuck outta heeeere

Right wingers don't, but large chunk of the more progressive left, does, as Tulsi was able to demonstrate back in 2020.
Wait till she's up for actual debates with a Republican though. Wait till you hear more of her talking.

Chewybunny wrote:

Right wingers don't, but large chunk of the more progressive left, does, as Tulsi was able to demonstrate back in 2020.
Wait till she's up for actual debates with a Republican though. Wait till you hear more of her talking.

yeah I agree completely, I aint sure we are avoiding the apocalypsis so easily just yet….shit looks grim

Chewybunny wrote:

Right wingers don't, but large chunk of the more progressive left, does, as Tulsi was able to demonstrate back in 2020.
Wait till she's up for actual debates with a Republican though. Wait till you hear more of her talking.

>Right wingers don't, but large chunk of the more progressive left,does

Lmao fucking no they dont. Progressive left hates these white house staffers for leaking that they are upset over bidens handling over palestine, but none of them are quitting their jobs

While Trump can absolutely lose even if it aint looking that good….if you are a person of color, a woman or part of the lgbt and living in the USA…you should probably be buying a gun…NOW….preferably a big one….

just in case…

No!! wrote:

While Trump can absolutely lose even if it aint looking that good….if you are a person of color, a woman or part of the lgbt and living in the USA…you should probably be buying a gun…NOW….preferably a big one….

just in case…

Genuinely good advice
also learn how to use it

Steve wrote:

>Right wingers don't, but large chunk of the more progressive left,does

Lmao fucking no they dont. Progressive left hates these white house staffers for leaking that they are upset over bidens handling over palestine, but none of them are quitting their jobs

I'm not sure what Palestine has to do with any of this. I am more referring to her time as a DA. Which was an issue she had in the 2020 run.

I hate how many centrists arent taking this shit seriously, the whole world is at stake and the whole world could end and like usual many centrists/ nonpolitical people dont give a shit.

I hate the complacency and apathy…oh well…

No!! wrote:

I hate how many centrists arent taking this shit seriously, the whole world is at stake and the whole world could end and like usual many centrists/ nonpolitical people dont give a shit.

I hate the complacency and apathy…oh well…

They don't take it as serious as you because they didn't swallow a jar of doom pills. Try to have a bit of optimism dude, the world didn't end between 2017-2020, and it certainly won't from 2025-2028. At the very worst there will be set backs, but the world isn't as much of an orbit of the US as we think it is. It's a very Americentric view to believe this.

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Chewybunny wrote:

They don't take it as serious as you because they didn't swallow a jar of doom pills. Try to have a bit of optimism dude, the world didn't end between 2017-2020, and it certainly won't from 2025-2028. At the very worst there will be set backs, but the world isn't as much of an orbit of the US as we think it is. It's a very Americentric view to believe this.

Trump corrupted the SC and it is currently working on destroying every good decision made in the past
not to mention project 2025

I was disappointed hearing Biden dropped out but I must admit, there's certainly a lot of positive reception on other social media sites. Fundraising and poll numbers prove as much. My biggest fear was that factionalism would split the Dems in a drawn out fight but doesn't seem to be happening now thankfully.

45 is now on the defense as it turns out, basing your entire campaign around your opponent being old while he himself IS an old fart, may not have been the best strategy. While also having chosen the worst VP candidate since Dan Quayle.

Chewybunny wrote:

I'm not sure what Palestine has to do with any of this. I am more referring to her time as a DA. Which was an issue she had in the 2020 run.

>she has the worst approval rating as a VP and is plagued with constant staff turnovers and hostile environment

> I am more referring to her time as a DA. Which was an issue she had in the 2020 run.

moving the goalpost here

45 is now on the defense as it turns out, basing your entire campaign around your opponent being old while he himself IS an old fart, may not have been the best strategy.

I remember it differently, being about mental acuity rather than just age. For obvious reasons; wouldn't make much sense for an old guy to campaign against another old guy just on the basis of being old. Harris is certainly an improvement over Biden in both regards. If nothing else, she won't forget what she's talking about mid-sentence…

While also having chosen the worst VP candidate since Dan Quayle.

I think it's much too early to call. He's not like Palin, as he's not an obviously terrible choice, but as it doesn't seem like he was chosen to court or appease a certain group, his personal opinions do actually matter. Him being a relative outsider and not a career politician seems likely to benefit Trump, but again, too early to call.

Chewybunny wrote:

They don't take it as serious as you because they didn't swallow a jar of doom pills. Try to have a bit of optimism dude, the world didn't end between 2017-2020, and it certainly won't from 2025-2028. At the very worst there will be set backs, but the world isn't as much of an orbit of the US as we think it is. It's a very Americentric view to believe this.

Speaking of the U.S and the world; months ago you were telling me about how the US must respect international law

Netanyahu just addressed U.S congress

What are your thoughts on someone with an arrest warrant issued from the ICC, being permitted to enter the US and deliver a speech to not just our elected official, but to the American people; without consequence?

Surely someone who cares about international law would be furious that someone charged with the crime of extermination was allowed to enter this country freely and speak with the US government without being arrested

I'm not sure what you mean that the US should respect international law, considering I don't have a particularly positive look at international law. Specifically, not that the concept of international law shouldn't exist, and more that international law exists selectively. Can you point to me what specifically you mean by what I said about the US and international law?

Saying that. The ICC did not issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. Instead ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan, requested arrest warrants for Bibi Netanyahu. As far as I know, that arrest warrant has not been granted. Having a foreign leader make speeches to the American people is not new. For example: King Abdullah Bin Al Hussein of the Kingdom of Jordan gave a joint congressional speech in 2007. Same year, Nicolas Sarkozy, of France. In 2008, PM Bertie Ahern of Ireland. In 2009 PM Gordon Brown of the UK, and Angela Merkel of Germany. In 2010, Felipe Calderon of Mexico, in 2011 PM Julia Gillard of Australia, and also President Lee Myung-Bak of Korea, Poroshenko in Ukraine. Mohammad Ghani of Afghanistan, Narendra Modi in India, Macron, Mitstakis, Zelensky, all of these leaders gave congressional speeches. And in April of this year we had Kishida Fumio of Japan address congress. So it's not something that is particularly unique to Israel.

As far as International Law vis-a-vie Israel, I have 0 faith that they act in any objective matter, whatsoever. Zero. Nada. Zilch. And in fact, the last 9 months have solidified this view for myself. I do not blame Israelis at all for disregarding international law, whatsoever, considering the insane hyper bias that it constantly displays. That it took months for one of the Judges to actually go on record and say that no, in fact, the ICJ didn't actually state that there was a plausible case of genocide is spell bounding to me.

If the ICC and the ICJ aren't going to treat international law objectively and instead treat themselves as a bully pulpit for nations with some of the worst human rights abuses then it has no legitimacy in my opinion.

Someone, please tell me, what objectivity is there for Nawaf Salam, the current head of ICJ when he voted 210 times to condemn Israel as ambassador to Lebanon? A man who voted against all 11 General Assembly resolutions during his tenure that condemned the Iranian regime’s violations against its people? Who used his seat on the Security Council to block a collective press statement from the council that would have condemned the Syrian regime for attacking civilian protesters? In fact continually supported the Assad regime, and it's "reforms". Please, somebody here tell me why should any country that cares, even a little bit, about human rights respect the ICJ when THIS is who is their newest president? Steel man him for me, I'd love to hear it.

Steve wrote:

>she has the worst approval rating as a VP and is plagued with constant staff turnovers and hostile environment

> I am more referring to her time as a DA. Which was an issue she had in the 2020 run.

moving the goalpost here

From where did I move the goalpost to where exactly?
I don't recall ever bringing up Kamala Harris and Israel in the same sentence let alone a post. Can you demonstrate?

Chewybunny wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean that the US should respect international law, considering I don't have a particularly positive look at international law. Specifically, not that the concept of international law shouldn't exist, and more that international law exists selectively. Can you point to me what specifically you mean by what I said about the US and international law?

Saying that. The ICC did not issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. Instead ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan, requested arrest warrants for Bibi Netanyahu. As far as I know, that arrest warrant has not been granted. Having a foreign leader make speeches to the American people is not new. For example: King Abdullah Bin Al Hussein of the Kingdom of Jordan gave a joint congressional speech in 2007. Same year, Nicolas Sarkozy, of France. In 2008, PM Bertie Ahern of Ireland. In 2009 PM Gordon Brown of the UK, and Angela Merkel of Germany. In 2010, Felipe Calderon of Mexico, in 2011 PM Julia Gillard of Australia, and also President Lee Myung-Bak of Korea, Poroshenko in Ukraine. Mohammad Ghani of Afghanistan, Narendra Modi in India, Macron, Mitstakis, Zelensky, all of these leaders gave congressional speeches. And in April of this year we had Kishida Fumio of Japan address congress. So it's not something that is particularly unique to Israel.

As far as International Law vis-a-vie Israel, I have 0 faith that they act in any objective matter, whatsoever. Zero. Nada. Zilch. And in fact, the last 9 months have solidified this view for myself. I do not blame Israelis at all for disregarding international law, whatsoever, considering the insane hyper bias that it constantly displays. That it took months for one of the Judges to actually go on record and say that no, in fact, the ICJ didn't actually state that there was a plausible case of genocide is spell bounding to me.

If the ICC and the ICJ aren't going to treat international law objectively and instead treat themselves as a bully pulpit for nations with some of the worst human rights abuses then it has no legitimacy in my opinion.

Someone, please tell me, what objectivity is there for Nawaf Salam, the current head of ICJ when he voted 210 times to condemn Israel as ambassador to Lebanon? A man who voted against all 11 General Assembly resolutions during his tenure that condemned the Iranian regime’s violations against its people? Who used his seat on the Security Council to block a collective press statement from the council that would have condemned the Syrian regime for attacking civilian protesters? In fact continually supported the Assad regime, and it's "reforms". Please, somebody here tell me why should any country that cares, even a little bit, about human rights respect the ICJ when THIS is who is their newest president? Steel man him for me, I'd love to hear it.

>"I'm not sure what you mean that the US should respect international law, considering I don't have a particularly positive look at international law."

>"And in fact, the last 9 months have solidified this view for myself. I do not blame Israelis at all for disregarding international law, whatsoever, considering the insane hyper bias that it constantly displays."

cool, just wanted to reaffirm that you were full of shit back then and you completely argued in bad faith. International law didnt mean shit to you back then, despite your insistence otherwise, and does mean shit to you now.

also LMAO at you doing the "The ICC is antisemitic" meme, acting like everyones biased against you totally doesnt look like desperate floundering

Chewybunny wrote:

From where did I move the goalpost to where exactly?
I don't recall ever bringing up Kamala Harris and Israel in the same sentence let alone a post. Can you demonstrate?

Do you recall talking about her staffers? Of course you do, you've been trying to change the subject away from them

Steve wrote:

>"I'm not sure what you mean that the US should respect international law, considering I don't have a particularly positive look at international law."

>"And in fact, the last 9 months have solidified this view for myself. I do not blame Israelis at all for disregarding international law, whatsoever, considering the insane hyper bias that it constantly displays."

cool, just wanted to reaffirm that you were full of shit back then and you completely argued in bad faith. International law didnt mean shit to you back then, despite your insistence otherwise, and does mean shit to you now.

also LMAO at you doing the "The ICC is antisemitic" meme, acting like everyones biased against you totally doesnt look like desperate floundering

"back then"
You know, you have had like two opportunities to specifically point out when that was, and what the context was.

I didn't say the ICC was anti-Semitic. I said the ICC is biased.
And I am still waiting for you to give me a good reason as to why the ICC and the ICJ should be treated as objectively and unbiased. I presented my case. All you can do is just deflect.

Steve wrote:

Do you recall talking about her staffers? Of course you do, you've been trying to change the subject away from them

I don't recall talking about her staffers vis-a-vie Palestine, but maybe I was, so you have an opportunity here to highlight it.

Spaghetto wrote:

45 is now on the defense as it turns out, basing your entire campaign around your opponent being old while he himself IS an old fart, may not have been the best strategy.

I remember it differently, being about mental acuity rather than just age. For obvious reasons; wouldn't make much sense for an old guy to campaign against another old guy just on the basis of being old. Harris is certainly an improvement over Biden in both regards. If nothing else, she won't forget what she's talking about mid-sentence…

While also having chosen the worst VP candidate since Dan Quayle.

I think it's much too early to call. He's not like Palin, as he's not an obviously terrible choice, but as it doesn't seem like he was chosen to court or appease a certain group, his personal opinions do actually matter. Him being a relative outsider and not a career politician seems likely to benefit Trump, but again, too early to call.

What I've been getting is that "Biden is unfit for the job because he's TOO OLD". Whatever nuance that was in Trump's narrative has gotten lost in the popular consciousness. It also wasn't too long ago when Trump was caught sleeping in court that brought into question his cognitive faculties, as well as his constant ramblings that doesn't help his case. The aftermath of the debate did put all eyes on Biden but I've only seen die-hard conservatives claim that Trump looked young. In any case, his recent comment of referring to himself as a "fine and brilliant young man" suggests that this is something he's concerned about. I've seen a running theme of voters being tired of old men being their only options for the last four years, I don't think that alone will cost Trump the election but I do think this puts him on the defense.

As for Vance, considering that his polling at -6 points after the RNC when the usual VP approval following the convention above 19 points, is a carpetbagger pretending to be a hillbilly, was anti-Trump in 2016, and rumors going around that Trump is having regrets about him, makes me feel very confident in calling this a bad pick. You're right that only time will tell if he becomes an active hindrance to his candidate going forward, but right now I don't see what he brings to the table if anything.

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