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The Trump campaign said Thursday it would not agree to a general election debate with Vice President Harris “until Democrats formally decide on their nominee” after Harris said she was ready to debate the former president. “Given the continued political chaos surrounding Crooked Joe Biden and the Democrat Party, general election debate details cannot be finalized until Democrats formally decide on their nominee,” Trump communications director Steven Cheung said in a statement. Cheung claimed there “is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party … that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone ‘better,'” citing former President Obama’s lack of endorsement to date, though Obama is expected to back Harris publicly soon.

I'm surprised that the words "Crooked Joe Biden" and "Marxist fraud" were not used by Trump himself.

Seems like trump is backing out of debating now

Well you heard Trump, the man itself, say it!

Dont vote for Trump!

I have the best votes, folks, you've never seen votes as good as these ones, believe me.

1. It'd be really funny if Trump is admitting to the Republicans committing actual voter-fraud (at least based on the single headline of a tweet that I never even watched)

2. In regards to the Elon Musk "API" leak, a lot of users on here have pointed out that it's both not in a valid format given the supposed file type(s), in addition to being too small and too on-the-point to come from an actual Xitter whitelist.
I'm not saying Elon Musk isn't petty and biased, because he certainly is (see the bannings over this), but I am saying that he probably has a Word document constantly open with the Xitter whitelist, and he manually looks through the entire thing to verify if the account that said the "hard r" is one of his aquantices.

Yep its official he is a wannabe dictator…
This may be the end of the world….

re – the twitter whitelst

I'm a webdev. That's lawsuit and FBI agent levels of sensitive, I don't think it would be just sitting around accessible like that. There's about 50 ways to skin that cat, so I have difficulty thinking that document is just there, unencrypted using descriptive tags and usernames instead of internal IDs

>Musk

Oh right, management edicts

Don't you just love doomposters?…

Former Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis, who opposed gay marriage, appeals ruling over attorney fees

The appeal filed by attorneys for Kim Davis in federal court argues that the landmark Obergefell ruling in 2015 should be overturned. Davis objected to same-sex marriage on religious grounds and was briefly jailed.

Let's hope that it doesn't make it to the Supreme Court, because of what they've previously stated:

Justice Thomas: SCOTUS ‘should reconsider’ contraception, same-sex marriage rulings

In his concurring opinion, Thomas -- an appointee of President George H.W. Bush -- wrote that the justices “should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” -- referring to three cases having to do with Americans’ fundamental privacy, due process and equal protection rights.

In addition:

Texas Sues Biden Administration Over Teen Contraception

Additionally worrying because of Trump's VP pick Vance's opinion on limiting movement of pregnant women between red and blue states (and for anyone who wants to play that down, Texas has been siccing bounty hunters on them for a while)

I haven't made an update like this a while.

However, I've noticed quite a few users trying to downplay Project 2025, but it's preliminaries have been going on for years (and many of those same users were apathetic or even supported such measures, they just don't like the public attention).

Like the frog boiling in water, it never comes out of nowhere.The books bans and burnings were way before Project 2025 was even mentioned or entered public awareness after all.

Like you said frog boiling in water
they were told to minimalize it because that's how the fascists are destroying this country, slowly

Great the downvote train is here again…

>I presented my case

You presented that you dont actually have one, your case in unfounded bullshit that Israel is being bullied by the ICC for NO REASON.

However, I've noticed quite a few users trying to downplay Project 2025

Because it's a red herring selected to drum up as much blind fear and panic as possible. Blind fear and panic that's partially responsible for someone trying to assassinate him.

they were told to

Also we've seen trump now without his ridiculous ear diaper on and there's nothing there

See what I mean?

I presented the case that Israel shouldn't trust the ICC and ICJ because of the bias. If you want to talk about bullying I would point to the UN itself who passes more resolutions against Israel than any other country combined. Are we really going to make the claim that what's going on between Israel and the Palestinians, even before Oct 7th, is worse than what happened in Syria under Assad? Or Saudi Arabia involvement in Yemen which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and a famine? Or what's currently happening in Sudan? Or even in Myanmar? Just to make a few. Why should the Israelis trust the UN for that matter when the UN refuses to enforce resolution 1701? You know today Hezbollah launched a rocket into Israel that landed on a soccer field and killed 9 Druze children right? Would you like me to post pictures of all the gory details? All of this could have been prevented if the UN actually enforced 1701. Do you even care? Is it because they aren't dead Jewish kids?

I argue that the international law has been losing its credibility not just with Israel but the rest of the world because it's bias. I've presented quotes a mini biography of ICJs president. Are you going to tell me he's going to be non biased and objective when it comes to Israel? No. You won't. You won't even engage with that question.

This was your third opportunity now to point out where I said the things you said I claimed. Interesting.

the closest thing i could find to you saying what steve is claiming you said is this line from this

"As far as "Apartheid State" there is no such thing under international law, and even the NGOs, such as HRW explicitly admitted to such. And even then they only make the argument as it pertains to, largely, the West Bank, not Israel as a whole. If you're going to sling out these loaded words at least know a tiny bit about what you're talking about."

and i'd like to add that i no way want to legitimately join this shit-flinging match, i just wanted to dunk on steve, because i'm bored.

because even though i'm not even trying to debate you on this, i still found and sourced an actual quote from you that could come even close to proving you were lying when you said you didn't have a high opinion of international law after like 20 minutes, while steve had 2 entire days to prove that claim and still couldn't.

@Spaghetto

Because it's a red herring selected to drum up as much blind fear and panic as possible.

Quote what I fully said, it could be a response in itself:

"I've noticed quite a few users trying to downplay Project 2025, but it's preliminaries have been going on for years and many of those same users were apathetic or even supported such measures, they just don't like the public attention."

Women have died because of the repeal of Roe vs Wade and underage girls too. Lousiana has mandated the 10 commandments in schools, making the times when I noted that religious texts were on the reading list while a quadruple digit amount of books were banned seems quaint in comparison.

Years of event and after such events, and a first-hand view of how your 'side' ignored it, at best.

There is a weakness to your strategy of constant denial and goldfish memory however, it makes it easy to see you're full of shit when you downplay Project 2025.

Blind fear and panic that's partially responsible for someone trying to assassinate him.

Mr. "Righteous Resistance" suddenly doesn't seem all that gung-ho about threatening others with guns, does he? I've had to sit as you justified January 6th and gloried in your civil war fantasies, Tartuffe.

The climate of blind fear and panic that Trump helped forment with it's the constant flippancy and conspiracy theories? We still don't know why that shooter tried to do what he did. Democratic plant, QAnon devotee, Republican 'deep-state' or your regular nutjob, who knows. I'm happy to see the little lectures on standards is finally sinking in for you why even leaders that hated Trump's guts are condemning political assassinations.

And even here, I'm not really talking about whether I have a high opinion of international law or not, but if you're going to use international law to make a point (in this case "Apartheid State") at least know what that part of the international law is.

I want to re-iterate. Just because I think international law through ICJ and ICC are losing their credibility and that how we handle current international law is terrible, doesn't mean that on paper at least I am against international law.

What is it about this conflict that brain melts so many people and institutions that they self immolate (rhetorically and uh, literally) and expose their own ridiculousness?

yea i know, like i said, i'm not trying to seriously debate you on this, i just saw an opportunity to make steve look stupid, so i took it. honestly kind of want to seriously parse through your posts just to prove steve is talking out of his ass again, but that's just too much work for me.

if you ask me what about this conflict destroys people's ability to see reason? the fact that it presents a free way for those types of people who want to see jewish people destroyed. obviously there's people on israel's side who are completely fucked in the head as well, but there's alot more people on israel's side that are willing to denounce those people, from what i've noticed.

Because Trump was barely injured and played it up for the victim points
and project 2025 is a real plan being worked on, stop pretending it's not

Like clockwork when mr spaghetti comes back to the forum

Also musky is going full retard and posting a fake video of Harris to try to get his fellow epsetin buddy trump elected

There is a weakness to your strategy of constant denial and goldfish memory however

Perhaps you're right that I have a "goldfish memory". I've learned my lesson about you multiple times, and yet I keep coming back, taking nothing to heart. This time I will, so I'll explain things to you nice and simple.

Women have died because of the repeal of Roe vs Wade and underage girls too.

Non-sequitur appeal to emotion. You constantly pin blame on the court for putting a flawed ruling out of its misery, but not on Congress for not taking advantage of its 49-year lifespan to instill abortion into federal law. It only took seven years for gay marriage to be granted de jure federal recognition; 49 years should've been plenty, yes?

Lousiana has mandated the 10 commandments in schools

A law that's currently being challenged and is very likely going to die in the court system. It's obviously unconstitutional.

Mr. "Righteous Resistance" suddenly doesn't seem all that gung-ho about threatening others with guns, does he?

False equivalency, it was an assassination attempt, not a mere threat.

I've had to sit as you justified January 6th

Actually, I remember you being right pissed that politicians dare be threatened, which makes your implicit defense of an assassination attempt hypocritical, and your accusations of hypocrisy towards me an example of projection.

I think politicians should be humbled and reminded that they are mortal like everyone else, but preferably by targeting their egos, not their lives. Maybe we should require legislators to take vows of poverty?

and gloried in your civil war fantasies

I'll take "Shit I never did" for 400, Ken.

The climate of blind fear and panic that Trump helped forment with it's the constant flippancy and conspiracy theories?

As I said, all this bullshit about "Project 2025" is partially responsible. There's a lot of factors at play, and what Trump has genuinely said and done is certainly one of them. Emphasis on "one of them".

Perhaps you're right that I have a "goldfish memory". I've learned my lesson about you multiple times, and yet I keep coming back, taking nothing to heart.

Exactly. We've had this same song and dance for years and you never learn, never incorporate anything new into your arguments and deny deny deny anything big or small.

Well, this isn't really to convince you or even change, I don't believe I ever can. However, I can at least expound for the peanut gallery or push-back when you make a nonsense claims and try to cynically use principles you'd betray.

(To repeat VeteranAdventureHobo)

Non-sequitur appeal to emotion. You constantly pin blame on the court for putting a flawed ruling out of its misery, but not on Congress for not taking advantage of its 49-year lifespan to instill abortion into federal law. It only took seven years for gay marriage to be granted de jure federal recognition; 49 years should've been plenty, yes?

Weak shifting of responsibility, and an accidental acknowledgement that you truly don't care of the consequences of it, which undermines your own constant appeals to emotion of 'freedom' and 'the people". 'Legalists' arguments like this is also the one I encounter most when arguing against Muslim fundamentalism who say that it justifies their arguments, by the way.

"You could, so you did", only works in a two-party state where failure to counter you is a fault of the other party. I do not subscribe to this two-party dichotomy, so I say you lot take responsibility for what you do. Ironically, the rational response to what the GOP has done is widespread and complete distrust of it and it's agenda, so it can't do this again. Exactly, what you're reaping with Project 2025.

A law that's currently being challenged and is very likely going to die in the court system. It's obviously unconstitutional.

I'll believe it when I see it, and laws are passed against trying the same thing again. Don't rely on trust in institutions which the GOP has itself weakened.

False equivalency, it was an assassination attempt, not a mere threat.

So you finally admit you made a threat? I'm not the one who's done an assassination attempt by the way, but of the two of us you're the one who liked making threats and violence, until suddenly it comes home to roost. My point was to you live in the climate you partially contributed to.

Actually, I remember you being right pissed that politicians dare be threatened, which makes your implicit defense of an assassination attempt hypocritical, and your accusations of hypocrisy towards me an example of projection.

Oh yes, I was very much pissed about that.

Misconstruing an argument (dare I say, straw-man if we're throwing fallacies at each other), when did I defend Trump's assassination attempt? I think it's a good thing that Trump survived, and that the shooter is dead (even if not apprehended so we don't know his reason why, that's fertile soil for conspiracy) I also say Trump and his base have stupidly helped create the climate of fear, it's congruent.

Voting is not a threat (and you did call voting a threat), threatening to gun someone down is, learn to tell the difference !

If anything, I hate all terrorists, I don't cherry-pick on when it's acceptable. You liked to larp as a revolutionary (or terrorist) when it's convenient for you, when it suits your narrative. Deny it as you always will.

Constantly trying to just repeat any accusations I make to you back to me, doesn't actually work as well when there's a pattern of behaviour

Also, to repeat a bit you skipped:

We still don't know why that shooter tried to do what he did. Democratic plant, QAnon devotee, Republican 'deep-state' or your regular nutjob

It's interesting you tried to connect criticisms of Project 2025 when we don't actually know why he did what he did. It might even be said you instrumentalized the assassination attempt for cynical political gain. What's next, criticizing the tax policy makes you a terrorist (hm, considering how America was founded)? If anything, that's probably contributed to draining the decorum and respect that should surround an attempted assassination attempt (even more than the gallows humour).

As I said, all this bullshit about "Project 2025" is partially responsible. There's a lot of factors at play, and what Trump has genuinely said and done is certainly one of them. Emphasis on "one of them".

Hm, I think this is the first time you've even admitted to Trump's rhetoric contributing. I guess you're really desperate to bury Project 2025 & it's theocratic elements, aren't you? Have to be desperate that you're even throwing this bone. Maybe he and his base (and anyone in love with 'strong-men') like you can learn now why sometimes even politicians who want to "win" admit fault when they have to or why they try to maintain standards. Or back-off when there's backlash.

I'd say the same thing I've said to all extremists, get your nutcases in order, cool down the rhetoric and actually crackdown on the people responsible for plans such as project 2025 (actual actions), don't make the democrats solve your messes. That would be a step-off the ledge.

@Spaghetto

And another thing: cut this shit out. It certainly isn't the "leftist" users here doing it considering voting trends. I know it's not Chewybunny because the downvotes don't change when he participates and he actually goes in the negatives and doesn't have the disproportionate numbers that you get.

It's even more absurd because this is a small forum which barely makes double-digits in active participants. Do you think these metrics mean anything, like reddit? Reputation is what matters, in politics.

Did you know I've had users who aren't active around here messaging me that they agreed that you were behind it when I first accused you? No "how dare you" either. Take my word for it or not, since this is all about something intangible like reputation after all, but I'm guessing it's an open secret.

So, why continue this song and dance?

The voting does matter when it goes below -5 because then the post is hidden. And I am concerned about this because my response to Steve a few days back went into -4 in the first 2 hours, then -5 by the end of the day, making the post hidden, and the next day back to 0. That means at least 5-10 people participated in voting on a post without commenting. You shouldn't be able to downvote someone without a comment with minimum amount of letters in it, IMHO.

So, why continue this song and dance?

I'll try and get to what little substance exists in your walls of text later, but I feel like it's important to address the loaded question in the room… and by that I mean, stoop to your level for a minute.

These quote-unquote "suspicious" voting patterns happen not when I'm involved, but whenever someone argues against you – which is usually me. And recently, you've made a habit out of these baseless accusations. Not to just "constantly try to just repeat any accusations you make against me" (rather convenient thing to say just before making another baseless one, huh?), but I think you are the one responsible. What better way to divert attention than to try and blame someone else, yes?

This is assuming that this is even a real thing, and not just pointless paranoia. We should probably ask the mods to see if they know what's going on (maybe it was the Sharty this whole time?). I'm confident about asking them because I know I'm not the one responsible, can you say the same?

Lets all keep things civil guys lets not start eating each other over this.

Besides its probably 4chan raiding or something

I'm just gonna cheekily point out that if the user known for being a bit of a doomposter is telling y'all to calm down, then y'all really need to calm down, lol. Between this and the Olympics entry, there just isn't enough popcorn.

There's also the fact that the last couple of posts you've made in this thread have gotten into the negatives, despite that apparently never happening

Besides, as no said, it could be 4chan again, i'm pretty sure they've been an issue before

Musky's now deleting accounts for showing that trump's ear is fine

Nah, if it's not spaghetto it's the usual reactionary bots here sponsered by bringbackpomf and something loli

We still don't have any medical reports after Trump's assassination, only a letter from former White House Physician turned politician so far.

That being said, the sensitivity of such documents on top of this being a former president would imply a lot of time and effort needs to be made to ensure everything is in order before release, although I would like to ask anyone who would be familiar with this process what the average amount of time this takes.

Trump was never in any danger. The assassination was a fake. The "assassin" is alive, and in healthy state, just living away from prying eyes. The "firefighter" who was killed, isn't dead either, he is just a loyal patsy. This is all staged by the FBI, and the NSA because they saw the writing on the wall and there are factions in those organizations that knew that Trump has a large chance of winning, and if he does, then he can rid of their jobs. So they have a perfect plan: protect their status in exchange for a Trump victory and what is the perfect Trump victory? An assassination attempt. Ask oneself! Perfect shot, perfect post, even a 1/1000000 shot of the "bullet flying at Trump". No pictures of Trump's ear. No medical records. Shooter's body is immediately cleaned up.

It's all fake. A kabuki dance. Meant to guarantee Trump's election. To make sure that his Project 2025 plan won't go after the … right alphabet agencies.

Source:

I made this shit up.

Goal:
Spread this on twitter to all the conspiratards.

Trump was never in any danger. The assassination was a fake. The "assassin" is alive, and in healthy state, just living away from prying eyes. The "firefighter" who was killed, isn't dead either, he is just a loyal patsy. This is all staged by the FBI, and the NSA because they saw the writing on the wall and there are factions in those organizations that knew that Trump has a large chance of winning, and if he does, then he can rid of their jobs. So they have a perfect plan: protect their status in exchange for a Trump victory and what is the perfect Trump victory? An assassination attempt. Ask oneself! Perfect shot, perfect post, even a 1/1000000 shot of the "bullet flying at Trump". No pictures of Trump's ear. No medical records. Shooter's body is immediately cleaned up.

It's all fake. A kabuki dance. Meant to guarantee Trump's election. To make sure that his Project 2025 plan won't go after the … right alphabet agencies.

Source:

I made this shit up.

Goal:
Spread this on twitter to all the conspiratards.

Trump was barely injured and played it up to pretend to be a victim

source: his ear is fine as seen in pictures

Why do you keep double posting? Is is some issue with your internet?

Funny how now you are the one who spreads conspiracies when it suits you.

Last time I accused him there hadn't been a moment where he hit the negatives for 30 pages. You were there, I can link back to it, if you wish. (It was on page 328 around 4 months ago, wow, and referred up to page 300).

And when he hits the negatives it's something absurd like +7 and -13. That's absurd.

It's why I'm guessing he has around 6 or 5 alts, that's the usual number. Notice his replies here are +6 and -7 down? Same for his detractors actually, it's always the same number, I'm not even the first person making that observation…

@Spaghetto

These quote-unquote "suspicious" voting patterns happen not when I'm involved, but whenever someone argues against you – which is usually me. And recently, you've made a habit out of these baseless accusations. Not to just "constantly try to just repeat any accusations you make against me" (rather convenient thing to say just before making another baseless one, huh?), but I think you are the one responsible.

Nah, I got voted into the ground with Greyblades when he was still here, with Chewybunny and with others. I also get different numbers with them, it's uniform with you. Others complained about screwy voting patterns when I was taking my breaks as well.

We all have our moments. I've only accused, you. I also have duds, where I get 0 votes in any direction, you don't.

I regularly get voted down into the ground when arguing against you as well, especially in that period when you were defending Hungary. Remember that? So, you're accusing me of manipulating bots, … so I down-vote myself?

What better way to divert attention than to try and blame someone else, yes?

That's exactly what you're doing, mate. My whole post was your tendency to try to deny everything and when that doesn't work to do a lazy uno reverse card it. And here you're doubling down on that strategy, without supporting evidence.

Maybe, but it's not like reddit or facebook where an algorithm changes what hundreds of thousands of people will see. There your score can affect your visibility.

But here, votes will do nothing on an argument's validity. I still read your arguments and that of anyone else, even if that means clicking to show a message. End of the day, my opinion will change more by what users are saying (hopefully) than what number is next to their account. It's sort of why I like smaller forums too, it's harder to make throwaway comments.

In the end it's just reputation, so that I think Spaghetto is a cheat impacts pretty much what I think of the rest of his comments, and votes will never change that. It's almost a meta commentary that I think the base reflects their candidate.

Anyway, for forums without those kind of upvotes and down-votes there's always Something Awful, but the downside is you have to fork over money.

@Chewybunny, GeneHunt & Kenetic Kups

I don't like conspiracy theories either (and yes, I acknowledge I'm engaging in a forum one above).

In this tit-for-tat game of hypocrisy, I'd like to point out I also had to argue against "January 6th" conspiracy theories, "Ukrainian Biolabs" far too many times and it sucked than, so maybe setting aside the arguments of hypocrisy, maybe we could have a collective agreement to avoid this?

Definitions of conspiracy theories will vary, but someone else who everyone here trusts can decide that. If ever. Have some actual norms.

@Spaghetto

We should probably ask the mods to see if they know what's going on (maybe it was the Sharty this whole time?). I'm confident about asking them because I know I'm not the one responsible, can you say the same?

Alright than let's do that. Put to rest the snippy swipes and the constant comments that something weird is going on, since Blue Yoshi mentioning that was just one person in a too long-line.

I've being trying to go over the rules and even finally went to the discord to search on the process for vote manipulation, and to quote Jill:

tried to get Admins involved earlier in the day because they had some patterns with cluster of ~12 accounts that were vote manipulating and were hoping that we could get something more permanent done. Most Admins didn't respond and the one that did didn't sem to understand what I was asking.

Anyways, the accounts (tes8744 through tes87544444444) and posts are hone now. Please post here if you see more. They were self deactivated, so you might need to link the comment.

Not sure what process that entails except directly asking Jill (Edit: Nvm, I'm sending a message) as this is more complicated than some easy throwaway accounts with sequential account numbers, but if you do, feel free to suggest it here. I'm opening a thread on report, because this has been going on far too long.

Who knows, getting the ball rolling could be maybe be enough to stop this.

"Pointing out the obvious is a conspiracy because it doesn't fit my agenda"

For the latest in reps trying to destroy the country
https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-files-emergency-motion-to-prevent-illegal-georgia-state-election-board-rules-from-taking-effect

I can't believe I'm saying this, but it appears that Israel is at risk of breaking out into civil war or mass riots because Israeli police arrested soldiers at the prison camps that were guilty of raping the prisoners. Several high profile politicians and many civilians are on the side of the soldier rapists

I repeat that, civil war/riots are breaking out ON BEHALF of soldiers who raped prisoners

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sde-teiman-israeli-soldiers-under-arrest-raping-palestinian-prisoner

It would purge the evil from Israel at least if they did